Alright, I gotta get on here because bashing many for the actions of a few seems to be the trendy thing to do now. And recently, this trend seems centered like a magnifying glass on minoriites, and what certain ones do.

Let me explain something to all you people that want to come on here and write your "outraged" articles and rants about how minorities cry racism and can bring lawsuits for everything and are now getting better treatment because of what they went through in the past: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OUTRAGE IS.

Outrage is what I, and a majority of the minority population of this nation, feel when we read the same stories that you do.

Because when you turn on the news, or buy a newspaper, and read about a minority claiming he/she was discriminated against, or suing for bad treatment that they claim was racially motivated, you see an argument, an anecdote, a point that you can make. You see a story that you can read and be angry at. You see an example of reprehensible actions. Then, you are done with it. You can leave it alone and go on with your life. It does not have to affect you. You allow it to.

You want to know what I see when I read those stories? I see a beam coming down straight across my back. I see a sword coming for my head. I am Sysiphus, and I see that Goddamn rock slipping down the hill for the 2569405th time.

Because when I see that some woman has accused an elementary school of "setting up" her child, I can't be angry and be done with it. I can't sit back and call her an idiot and go on with my life the way it was, because she has cast a shadow on me. Every year that I have walked, trying to find sunlight and fertility and hope, this fool has eradicated with one sentence. One specific set of words out of this idiot's mouth, and all of a sudden the minorities are playing the race card again, because that's what they do. And I have another 100 miles to walk.

You think you get upset when you hear Jesse Jackson open his mouth? You don't know what upset is. Upset is what happens when you realize the percentage of people that think he speaks for you.

Upset is what happens when you realize that what you see as an idiot trying to sue Wendy's for millions of dollars is seen by everyone else as a Hispanic idiot trying to sue Wendy's for millions of dollars.

Upset is what happens when some idiot afraid of her marriage tells the police that she was kidnapped by a Hispanic man, or when a mother tired of her children tells them that a Black guy killed them.

That's when upset starts.

You read the stories too, and you think that it's not right, but you have never been angry like I have. You have never been angry like the minorities involved have. Because these stories come back to us. They never leave. They inhabit us. They stain us. They tattoo us.

They stay in the back of your mind, and maybe you let them go and don't think about them, but when you see us you remember. Maybe it's only for a split second, and maybe you shake your head, and maybe you give us the benefit of the doubt because you know that not all minorities are like that. But the thought is there, and without you thinking, before you catch yourself, its what springs forth.

It's the woman that instinctively clutches her handbag when a friend of mine approaches; He just wanted to know the time.

It's the man that crosses to the other side of the street when he sees a group of us approaching; We're on our way home from tutoring second graders.

It's the police officer who stops me from walking through an alley; I am less than a block from my house.

You have never been angry like I have. You don't know what it is to feel rage. Because rage is what sets in when you realize something:

A white person who does something stupid is a person who is stupid. An idiot. Just another idiot. A minority who does something stupid is a minority who did something stupid. A minority idiot. Just another minority idiot.

That is rage.

Rage is knowing that I am a minority, and so I am not free to be stupid.


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on May 11, 2005
Yes. Because if these same people were hanging around there, it wouldnt BE a non-dangerous neighborhood.

The neighborhood itself is comprised of inanimate objects, like houses and trees and roads. The neighborhood itself, then, poses no threat at all. It's the people who inhabit it, (and in this case, as in most areas of high crime, the inhabitants are overwhelmingly black) who make it dangerous.

Does that make all blacks dangerous? Of course not, but around here, at least, I'd prefer not to take chances
---LW

Well put, you racist bitch.

on May 11, 2005
My upbringing heightened my awareness of racism in this country. Because of the racial tensions all around, I have fought hard with myself to not be sucked into racist thinking.


But see, dabe....your parents did you something of a diservice by instilling you with completely unfettered acceptance of blacks (or anyone of color for that matter), because it, over time, seems to have caused you to unconsciously resent your own race and see all blacks as noble creatures who do no wrong. So many of us see it in your writing.
I'm not at all surprised to find that you were raised by a pair of hippies. You poor thing.
on May 11, 2005
It freaked him out, and he now says he won't ever eat fried chicken in public again.


I used to manage a DQ, and worked for years in fast food as second jobs and such. When a black person came up to the counter, I would automatically put my finger over the "chicken products" cluster of the register keys. More often than not, I was right, too.
They also always ordered orange pop for some reason, and if we didn't have orange pop, then Sprite. Stereotypes existing for reasons......
on May 11, 2005
They don't bother using any tact; they just say what they mean. That's detrimental to the society they claim to represent, especially when you have 6-year-olds calling themselves pimps (or rather "pee-yomps") and referring to the females around them as bitches and Hoes.


Why do they have to represent a community? Why can't they just be artists? Eminem doesn't represent the white community. Jin doesn't represent the Asian community.

Yes, I know that white people commit crimes, too; but strangely enough, when I turn on the news and see footage of some dude or chick in shackles, cuffs and wearing an orange jumpsuit, he/she most often seems to be black. If my playing the odds in assuming that a veeeery biiiiig chunk of the drug-related and violent crime in this country is committed by blacks is racist, then call me a racist. I consider it being realistic. For this psychological reason, white and hispanics simply aren't as threatening as blacks.


Most school shooters I see on TV are white...so I'm gonna play the odds and assume that in a school, the white kids are the ones to be afraid of, right? Come on, you really don't want to use the media's portrayal of the world on this one.

mention it, before we had assholes like Marilyn Manson with his freaky messages and lyrics. Hmmmm....might have to study that a bit.


If a song made someone shoot someone else, there exist a whole lot of fucked up issues that should have been resolved, and were probably created, long before the song was ever composed.

I had several black friends in school but they never saw fit to come sit at the "white tables" in the cafeteria....they always sat at their own, where whites were not completely welcome, I might add.


The white kids never saw fit to come to the Black/Hispanic tables at my school.

I worked at a Dollar Tree and waited on Mexicans (there is a large population here) everyday. If there was a group, there would be one who spoke English and the others just stood there while he talked to me an translated. As I said in my ~~TOTALLY IGNORED~~ section, stereotypes exist for a reason.


~~NO ONE~~ has ignored anything. I agree that Jesse Jackson is a cancer. I mentioned that in the article. I guess you ignored that.
on May 11, 2005
Are minorities so adverse to adopting general clothing styles ( read conservative, not "White" ) that they PREFER to look like hoods?Is the "crab bucket" mentality that pervasive?


Are you kidding? Do you think that women are shunning general clothing styles in favor of the styles of Paris Hilton and the other celebri-whores that are suddenly famous?
on May 11, 2005
Yes. Because if these same people were hanging around there, it wouldnt BE a non-dangerous neighborhood.


Same clothes, in a safe neighborhood, on me. Are you going out of your way?
on May 11, 2005
I really believe that racism is the white man's construct.

Not only an extremely racist statement, but utterly false as well.

Only when EVERYONE stops thinking in terms of race and starts thinking in terms of people will the problem really go away. There is only one race of people on the whole planet: human.
on May 11, 2005
You know, I really admire older blacks. They can remember what things were like back when blacks really WERE kept down, and can appreciate and understand the changes that have been made in their lifetimes. Younger blacks don't have that. They've lived their whole lives with state-sponsored programs that give them virtually anything they want virtually on demand, and as a result, have gotten an insidious sense of entitlement from that ideal. One that their forebears don't have and don't want. I'm supposed to respect them just because...because they suffered as slaves to the white man for centuries, that the white man made them use separate restrooms, telephones, water fountains and lunch counters. That the white man passed laws to keep them "in their place".The only problem with that is that I, personally, never did any of those things.My respect needs to be earned rather than freely given.One of the problems I'm seeing here is that you, Phil, don't want to hear what many of us on the other side have to say. Our opinions, experiences and stories are contrary to what you want to hear, so you tend to totally ignore or gloss over many of the personal experiences and opinions of those with whom you're disagreeing. You (and dabe, too, really) want to argue from what you see or want to believe, rather than listening to our examples, so you pick nits and take on the weaker topics and arguments.I guess maybe we all do this to a certain extent, but you as a black person, for example, perhaps want to feel vindicated of all the problems in race relations that blacks do, in fact, cause for themselves. If that's the prevalent perspective among blacks today, and I sincerely hope it isn't, then things are never going to get


1) I'm not black.
2) I think anyone who keeps crying for reparations should shut the hell up.
3) I think affirmative action is a bigger plague to me than locusts were to Egypt.
4) I know you've not really debated me that much, but don't lump me in with Dabe. Not now, not ever. The day I personally attack you and wish you bodily harm, then associate me with Dabe. Until then, remember that you've thrown the first punch here. I'm gonna let it go for now.
5)Tell me what I've ignored. Tell me what I glossed over. You can go ahead and think that I'm picking weaker issues to argue, but have you thought that maybe I agree with some of your statements? Maybe the problem is that you're expecting fights from your stronger topics, and are sorely disappointed when it doesn't pan out?
6) I don't think minorities get up in the morning and think "hmm...how can I perpetuate a degrading stereotype today?" You can call that vindication if you want.
on May 11, 2005
Only when EVERYONE stops thinking in terms of race and starts thinking in terms of people will the problem really go away. There is only one race of people on the whole planet: human.


Wow. Someone grasping the point of the article. That's a first.
on May 11, 2005
Why do they have to represent a community? Why can't they just be artists? Eminem doesn't represent the white community. Jin doesn't represent the Asian community.


You're not hearing me---why?(cups hands around mouth and shouts)....the lifestyle they depict in their songs is portrayed by them and their promotors as the typical inner-city black lifestyle. It's not, no, but that's the message they perpetuate, and that's the message, and a powerful one it is, that the rest of society gets. It's also the message that many younger black hear and want to emulate, to the detriment of themselves and their communities.
Eminem's music says nothing about white lifestyles except how it's affected him, and is targeted to the black community, too, don't forget. Jin I've never heard of.

Most school shooters I see on TV are white...so I'm gonna play the odds and assume that in a school, the white kids are the ones to be afraid of, right? Come on, you really don't want to use the media's portrayal of the world on this one.


Most, make that all school shootings have taken place in white, suburban schools, too. If a black kid walked into his school and started shooting, he'd very likely find 15-20 other guns in his general vicinity firing back at him anyway, so what would be the point?
Besides, how many school shooters have there been as opposed to the number of black criminals we see on the news every night?

If a song made someone shoot someone else, there exist a whole lot of fucked up issues that should have been resolved, and were probably created, long before the song was ever composed.


Once again, you're not hearing me....(cups hands around mouth again and shouts)....messages in music affect different people different ways. Stronger wills and egos aren't as easily affected as weaker, more insecure ones.

The white kids never saw fit to come to the Black/Hispanic tables at my school.


Did you ask them? We did.
~~NO ONE~~ has ignored anything. I agree that Jesse Jackson is a cancer. I mentioned that in the article. I guess you ignored that.


Well, there's a whole section of things that you skipped right over, so I could only assume that that's what you did. I apologize, if that wasn't the case. I know we agree on Jesse Jackson, which surprised me and gives me hope, in a way.
on May 11, 2005
1) I'm not black.
2) I think anyone who keeps crying for reparations should shut the hell up.
3) I think affirmative action is a bigger plague to me than locusts were to Egypt.
4) I know you've not really debated me that much, but don't lump me in with Dabe. Not now, not ever. The day I personally attack you and wish you bodily harm, then associate me with Dabe. Until then, remember that you've thrown the first punch here. I'm gonna let it go for now.
5)Tell me what I've ignored. Tell me what I glossed over. You can go ahead and think that I'm picking weaker issues to argue, but have you thought that maybe I agree with some of your statements? Maybe the problem is that you're expecting fights from your stronger topics, and are sorely disappointed when it doesn't pan out?
6) I don't think minorities get up in the morning and think "hmm...how can I perpetuate a degrading stereotype today?" You can call that vindication if you want.


I don't care what color you are, you're arguing from the standpoint of a young black person. If you're gonna wear the clothes, accept the judgement, right, thug?
If none of what happens to blacks in their community affects you in any way and you agree with much of what we've said here, why do you argue so vehemently? What's your point?

I disagree that there is only one race on Earth. There is one dominant species, which is human, but that species is broken down into many different branches and races, each of which has its own history and cultural makeup. These, then, in turn, affect the psychological and emotional makeup of the races.
on May 11, 2005
Post deleted by poster. Sorry, I missed the point.
on May 11, 2005
Wow. Someone grasping the point of the article. That's a first.


Nah, was just some extra sentences I had laying around.
on May 11, 2005
celebri-whores


--Nice...so true in certain celebrities....B'AH! most of 'em disgust me....

on May 11, 2005
I really believe that racism is the white man's construct.

Not only an extremely racist statement, but utterly false as well.


This is not utterly false. At least, not in the context of the American society I was referring to, which I should have said. But, I stand by the statement, which is in no way racist, but rather one of looking at it from a historical perspective. And, I'm not talking about various tribes of Native Americans who slaughtered eachother, or African tribes who continue to slaughter eachother. I'm talking about our American history, and white European history.

The point is that whites were not denied jobs, housing, schools the way blacks were in this country. That's a fact. Who denied them these things? Whites did. And now it is an institutional part of our society, and one that cannot be overturned overnight. It's a problem that will take years and years and years to remediate. And, lots and lots of money. (Yeah, some immigrants were also shunned, but unless they were black, it would not necessarily be immediately apparent.) However, and this is undeniable fact, blacks were steered to black only areas for housing, and although it's now illegal, it still happens. Blacks were denied comperable educations than whites, and only recently, since the 60's maybe, has there been a concerted effort, at least on its face, to equalize education. Hell, forget about jobs. Fact is, I don't know the numbers, but the unemployment rate among blacks is way higher than whites.

None of the above is because blacks or hispanics or whatever chose to live in rotten inner city slums. They were forced there by whites. Racial steering is rampant on Long Island, NY, where I live. Gee, is that their choice? No. But, I do believe that now there is clearly a culture that has arisen from the segregation, and it's borne more out of poverty than race. And, it's the poverty more than any other factor that perpetuates the racism, the stereotyping, the inability to get employment, rundown housing, etc. All of this - education, housing, and jobs are getting better to some degree, but I think that black America has a long way to go.

So please, don't tell me that the racism and segregation in this country wasn't originally a white man's construct. That is exactly what it was. (Australia and South Africa also come to mind.) Whites brought the Africans to this continent, forced into slavery, then denied equal protection under the law after being set free. We now have a huge population of people of color here, be they black, yellow, red or whatever. Immigrants coming here for better lives, in poverty, so they congregate wo where they can afford housing, and that's often the slums.

White Europeans definitely had a huge hand in creating racism, against the blacks they brought to North America, against the land they stole from the Native Americans, against the land they stole from the South Africans, and the Aborigines in Australia. Now, I do believe it's up to whites to recognize the problems, and up to blacks to also come to the table and work it out. It's a problem that cannot be solved by one race alone. That's for sure.
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