the afa may be onto something. i hear ford's planning on launching new hybrid (heheheh)called the sodoma.

My Mustang does have an appealingly sexy tail-pipe...

What kind of car is Paris Hilton rolling around on in that Carl's Jr. ad? We should boycott that manufacturer, too. They're contributing to the delinquency of minors.

What kind of car is Paris Hilton rolling around on in that Carl's Jr. ad?

car?

there's a car in that ad?

i'll have to pay more attention next time i see it.

i hear ford's planning on launching new hybrid (heheheh)called the sodoma.

I heard it was going to be the GoMore, eh?

Nice to have you back Philo.  Rant away, but just remember, no one listened to their boycott of Disney.  I doubt they are going to have much of an impact (some yes) on Ford.

i hear ford's planning on launching new hybrid (heheheh)called the sodoma. I heard it was going to be the GoMore, eh?

Where they went too far with the pandering was changing their slogan to "Hung Ford Tough."

What's that Bible verse? "Lot pitched his tent toward Sodom"? Tent, Lot, Pitch -- Can you get more blatant? It's all about cars! This is more obvious than backward masking!

Tent, Lot, Pitch

Sounds more like what happened to a certain Senate leader a few years back.

While I'm not a big fan of the whole "Boycott Bandwagon", I don't see the problem here. A private organization (Ford) is enjoying its freedom to cater to whoever they think will bring in the bucks, while another private organization (the AFA) is enjoying its freedom to boycott Ford. Their both sitting pretty because they both get to put their money and whatever clout they carry where they want it.

Freedom works both ways.

Ok, so what exactly is wrong with an organization standing up for the principles in which they believe. You, I, or someone else may not hold the same views they do, or agree with what they are doing, but they have every right to use their purchasing power to express themselves to that company.

Many special interest groups use public boycott campaigns to garner attention to their cause as well as a myriad of other techniques. The groups that use this sort of boycott or other public attention technique include gay rights groups. Why is this deemed to be acceptable for them, but when it's someone who publicly disapproves of them, or isn't on the PC bandwagon, it's suddenly a bad thing?

I personally disgree with many special interest group's goals, but I heartily support their right in this country to voice their opinions, including the boycotting of companies if they feel the need. It doesn't mean they have "lost it", it means they are exercising their rights just as much as a group of people holding gay rights parades, civil rights marches, or other activities. Do you make fun of those people too? Or just the ones you disagree with?

Philomedy,

In all fairness, where is your criticism of Buyblue.org? I don't participate in most boycotts, as I firmly support a business owner's right to spend their money as they see fit, but the entire purpose of buyblue.org is to boycott the political right. They rank GM (competing automaker, for those of you keeping score at home) at 26%; I'm not sure of Ford's ranking, but I'm sure their contributions to gay rights groups doesn't hurt.

The AFA is doing the EXACT same thing as many of these other organizations: Educating those for whom the political donations to causes by an organization DO matter so that they can appropriate their money in a manner they see fit. So I neither endorse nor condemn the AFA's actions. Now, if they start blocking Ford dealerships with pickets, I might jump over on your side.

Freedom works both ways.

This was the point. I very explicitly said my problem was with the AFA condemning actions that they themselves use.

Ok, so what exactly is wrong with an organization standing up for the principles in which they believe. You, I, or someone else may not hold the same views they do, or agree with what they are doing, but they have every right to use their purchasing power to express themselves to that company.Many special interest groups use public boycott campaigns to garner attention to their cause as well as a myriad of other techniques. The groups that use this sort of boycott or other public attention technique include gay rights groups. Why is this deemed to be acceptable for them, but when it's someone who publicly disapproves of them, or isn't on the PC bandwagon, it's suddenly a bad thing?I personally disgree with many special interest group's goals, but I heartily support their right in this country to voice their opinions, including the boycotting of companies if they feel the need. It doesn't mean they have "lost it", it means they are exercising their rights just as much as a group of people holding gay rights parades, civil rights marches, or other activities. Do you make fun of those people too? Or just the ones you disagree with?

^^ yeah, what he said!

In all fairness, where is your criticism of Buyblue.org? I don't participate in most boycotts, as I firmly support a business owner's right to spend their money as they see fit, but the entire purpose of buyblue.org is to boycott the political right. They rank GM (competing automaker, for those of you keeping score at home) at 26%; I'm not sure of Ford's ranking, but I'm sure their contributions to gay rights groups doesn't hurt.The AFA is doing the EXACT same thing as many of these other organizations: Educating those for whom the political donations to causes by an organization DO matter so that they can appropriate their money in a manner they see fit. So I neither endorse nor condemn the AFA's actions. Now, if they start blocking Ford dealerships with pickets, I might jump over on your side.

See above response. And there was no criticism of buyblue.org because I didn't see an article about them. Sorry.

Actually they aren't condemning actions they themselves use. They aren't condemning the company for choosing to financially support a cause. They are condemning the company's choice of who they are supporting.

Again, that is their right to do so, just as it is Ford's right to choose to whom they wish to contribute and support.

Just looks like freedom of speech in action to me. They have no more "lost it" than Ford has "lost it" for choosing to support a gay rights cause.

Why continue to perpetuate the lie about Spongebob? Because it sounds funny? Is your argument so weak that you have to lie to prop it up? That myth has been hashed out too many times for people to keep saying the AFA thought spongbob was gay.

Gay and Lesbian organizations boycott all the time. Environmental organizations organize boycotts all the time. Racial (ist?) organizations boycott all the time.

I have to wonder what the problem is with the AFA doing the same thing that all these other organizations do? Or is it the fact that you just don't like what they believe in? Should they have checked with you first?

He's not attacking their rights to protest, merely voicing his opinion that he thinks what they're protesting is dumb. How many here have written at length bashing anti-war protesters in the past few years? Why do you mock them? Because you disagree with what they are protesting about. Protesting Bush/Iraq/Whatever in recent years has brought down a rash of people here yelling "Anti-American!" "Traitor!" etc...

So it's ok to insult and disagree with protests when it fits YOUR vision, but not when it doesn't?

He's not attacking their rights to protest, merely voicing his opinion that he thinks what they're protesting is dumb.

No, actually he's calling them hypocrits, claiming

the AFA condemning actions that they themselves use.

which just isn't the case and is twisting things a bit.
Personally, yes I think it's kind of dumb, but people and groups have every right to be dumb if they so choose.
But the real point is they aren't condeming the actions they themselves use, but rather the company's choice of who they are supporting. That's really the only thing I take issue with here.