QUESTIONS CERTAIN JUSERS COULDNT ANSWER

WITHOUT CITING THE VERY THING BEING QUESTIONED

Published on March 13, 2005 By philomedy In Misc

Alright, it appears that certain people want to play a little game. That's fine. Philomedy loves games.

Let's play.

I will now bring forth a series of questions, which I want answered completely, without the use of the Bible as a reference.

Although it should be clear that I am writing this as a response to a specific article (and we all know what that article is), everyone should feel free to play. Games are fun, after all. So here goes:

1) Prove God exists. (without citing the Bible)
2) Prove the Bible is the Word of God. (without citing the Bible)
3) Prove that belief in God makes one morally superior to someone who does not believe in God. (without citing the Bible)

I think those are the three big ones for now. Anyone should feel free to answer, as well as to add any points that I have failed to make.

Humbly waiting for the roasting spit that certain people assure me is in store, I remain opinionatedly yours, Philomedy.

Comments (Page 5)

dynamaso

on Mar 17, 2005

Serenity,

Can I get an Amen

Amen

I believe I have faith. My faith isn't derived from a particularly religion or particular reading. I'm probably what some would call an Agnostic. But my faith is strong and anyone who condemns me without knowing me I can only consider narrow-minded and judgmental.

I don't need proof of God's existence to believe. I am not uneducated, a moron, dense, weak-willed, a follower, or anything else similar because of my belief. Likewise, I am no better than anyone else just because of my faith. Also, I have no issue with anyone who believes differently from me, whether that be another faith or even an athiest.

I agree completely and firmly believe those that want to know will seek out answers themselves. Having someone else try shoving religion, politics or whatever down my throat is only going to make me gag.

Ionolast

on Mar 17, 2005

Those who love the Good, and seek it out, and devote their lives to it are morally superior to those who reject Good and seek out Evil instead.

You seem to think everything is black and white. You wish. It would make your life a lot simpler, wouldn't it? No one is 100% good or 100% evil. Some religious people have done terrible things. Such as the preacher and some church members in Pennsylvania who smothered an epileptic boy to death when they tried to "help" him. Epilepsy used to be considered proof of demonic possession. Most people know better now, but there are some superstitious people who would rather believe in the supernatural than science. Some parents allow their seriously ill children to die because they would rather pray for the child instead of take him or her to a doctor or hospital.

Having someone else try shoving religion, politics or whatever down my throat is only going to make me gag.

That's very good. Do you mind if I use it?

Champas Socialist

on Mar 17, 2005

Firstly, this is an extremely funny thread, it's so disappointing that you had a serious point behind it. It's much more fun just mocking aeryck.

Secondly, I doubt your faith is based purely on faith. But it's an interesting, timeless debate. Before Descartes (a scientist/philosopher/religious man for those who don't know), the church advocated faith based purely on faith. Descartes wanted them to change to including rational, logical, scientific thought as a way to prove the existence of God. He was promptly called a heathen, but the Church later retracted and agreed with him. So this one has been going on for centuries. But never in such a funny way as this forum.

dynamaso

on Mar 18, 2005

Iconoclast

That's very good. Do you mind if I use it?

Thank you and please, feel free to use it. Hopefully, it will make people laugh but will also get the point across.

Cheers,

Maso

philomedy

on Mar 18, 2005

Firstly, this is an extremely funny thread, it's so disappointing that you had a serious point behind it.

Well, you know me and my never ending quest to do both.

Secondly, I doubt your faith is based purely on faith.

I can agree with this, as my faith stems from the fact that I don't think something can come from nothing. I believe there had to be a creator, and so I believe in God.

Champas Socialist

on Mar 18, 2005

Hang on, but you believe God can come from nothing so obviously you do believe something can come from nothing.

philomedy

on Mar 18, 2005

Hang on, but you believe God can come from nothing so obviously you do believe something can come from nothing.

This is only assuming that I believe God is a "thing," not a spiritual absolute that always was.

I'm familiar with your argument, and I've already presented it to myself, and I agree with you that it makes a lot of sense. However, the logical continuation of the argument leads you into a labyrinthine tautology where everything must have something before it, with your final conclusion being that nothing is, because nothing could have been.

Ionolast

on Mar 18, 2005

I can go back to Bloomington, Indiana, today and meet people who refuse to believe that I have changed my life

Some people just can't accept the idea of evolution, huh?

Ionolast

on Mar 18, 2005

This is a good example of how one person making a jerk out of themselves will enevitably cause people on the other side to do the same.

Maybe we have to lower ourselves to his level so he will understand.

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