QUESTIONS CERTAIN JUSERS COULDNT ANSWER

WITHOUT CITING THE VERY THING BEING QUESTIONED

Published on March 13, 2005 By philomedy In Misc

Alright, it appears that certain people want to play a little game. That's fine. Philomedy loves games.

Let's play.

I will now bring forth a series of questions, which I want answered completely, without the use of the Bible as a reference.

Although it should be clear that I am writing this as a response to a specific article (and we all know what that article is), everyone should feel free to play. Games are fun, after all. So here goes:

1) Prove God exists. (without citing the Bible)
2) Prove the Bible is the Word of God. (without citing the Bible)
3) Prove that belief in God makes one morally superior to someone who does not believe in God. (without citing the Bible)

I think those are the three big ones for now. Anyone should feel free to answer, as well as to add any points that I have failed to make.

Humbly waiting for the roasting spit that certain people assure me is in store, I remain opinionatedly yours, Philomedy.

Comments (Page 3)

Dr Guy

on Mar 14, 2005

1) Prove God exists. (without citing the Bible)

I am God and Cause Im telling you so.

2) Prove the Bible is the Word of God. (without citing the Bible)
All words are the word of God. It's the interpretation that makes them challenging to people.

3) Prove that belief in God makes one morally superior to someone who does not believe in God. (without citing the Bible)

That just isnt so. Cause Gad is everything whether you believe or not.

Damn! You stole my response!

philomedy

on Mar 14, 2005

Religion is the most pathetic way of displaying a belief in nothing.

I don't think religion is pathetic, just faith-based. It cannot be proven...which is not to say that there's anything wrong with it.

I thought science and religion were two different/opposite views. Now I'm confused too. There's little "natural" science.

Strong arguments can be made that religion and science are complimentary, not opposing.

3. Of course it makes you morally superior. If we define morality by the number of trinkets and access to personal power that a person has (ie in the ordinary way of societies) then you can easily see that believers in god/s are the most moral of everyone.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say, or if you're being serious or not. Are you saying that possessions and power define morality?

foreverserenity

on Mar 14, 2005

Mmm, interesting conversation, I have to hop on...(tongue in cheek)

"Humbly waiting for the roasting spit that certain people assure me is in store, I remain opinionatedly yours, Philomedy."

Phil, you're are toooo funny....and your name truly fits!!!

Looking at it. Still looking at it. Continuing to look at it. It hasn't said anything. Perhaps you should elaborate.

...hee hee I'm sorry, but this is tooo funny

You would be well advised to remember that not everyone who disagrees with you is an Atheist.

As I've said before, I dislike people who judges other people. It proves ignorance!

God told me that the bible is the word of god...I have independent confirmation.

Can I get an Amen!

Oh, and give up on the "if you don't agree with me you must be willing to go to hell" tact... it's too sanctimonius and makes you come across as a zealous jerk.

Can I get another AMEN!

my title was a response to yours, a way to satirize yours, and a way to get you here in the first place. Predictably, here you are. Philomedy does rule.

Yep, Philomedy, you do, hands down!

1) A few years ago, the image of the virgin Mary was found in a blueberry muffin in Italy.

Not to mention the EBay grilled cheese.

Typical woman, her face always in food.

Hey....!! I am woman.... er, just ate lunch

#17 by aeryck
Sunday, March 13, 2005

Wow...that's a longggg response! To quote Gene, "Ahem"

The way you are going about things isn't much better than the guy with the "Sinners Repent! The End Is Near!" sign.

You'll notice Jesus always talked to people in their own language. I.E., when he was talking to farmers, he used farm metaphors. You need to gauge the people and find a way to speak to them in their own language, not our churchified lingua franca. They don't understand it, and what people don't understand perplexes, frightens, and angers them. That's not a very receptive mood in which to deliver your message.

Very insightful Gene, true words spoken!

Maybe you are motivated out of a deep caring for people that they would be saved from hell and restored, but it is not coming across at all. No one likes a self-righteous, accusatory know-it-all. Your heart might be in the right place, but your methods are all wrong.

Yep...agreed!

All words are the word of God. It's the interpretation that makes them challenging to people.

Phoenix, agreed.

prove you've been taking your meds (without citing the physician's desk reference)

Kingbee, good one

Religion is the most pathetic way of displaying a belief in nothing.

I don't think religion is pathetic, just faith-based.

Good answer Phil, and there's nothing wrong with it!

Sorry I took over there with all these quotes Philomedy, I couldn't resist, the boogieman made me do it!

Gideon MacLeish

on Mar 14, 2005

Philomedy:

I'm not going to "roast" you, but I have a huge problem with your intellectual grandstanding through posing these questions. The type of "proof" you seek is intriguing as, if you are a scientist, you accept on faith the existence of planetary bodies outside of our solar system, the existence of an earth's core rather than just a hollow shell underneath the mantle...the list goes on.

I can't prove any of those things in a way that is satisfactory, nor, in fact, can you DISPROVE them to me in a way that is satisfactory. If we accept nothing on faith, we spend our entire life ruminating on the feasibility of our own existence and the existence of others. It's mental masturbation at its finest.

NJforever

on Mar 14, 2005

2. This one's tricky. I don't believe the bible is the word of God, but then I'm a Catholic so that's not actually important - I'm fairly sure Catholics are just supposed to believe the bible was written by various Jewish figures. It's been a while though since I've been to church, so I could be wrong.

I'm not very religious, but I can tell you that we Catholics DO think the bible is the word of God. But we don't interpret it literally, as some people do.

philomedy

on Mar 14, 2005

I have a huge problem with your intellectual grandstanding through posing these questions.

I haven't done this at all. This was posted as a response to another article which attempted to cite the inability to disprove God as proof of God's existence. I am not here to deride anybody's faith, or to say that religion is a foolhardy pursuit, for I would be insulting myself as a believer in God as well. I do recognize, however, that I cannot prove that God exists, and that my belief in Him is derived purely from faith. The notion I am combating is the notion that God is factually documented, as opposed to faithfully believed in; I am not trying to say that God doesn't exist, or that anyone is stupid for believing that He does.

I can't prove any of those things in a way that is satisfactory, nor, in fact, can you DISPROVE them to me in a way that is satisfactory.

This is the point I was trying to make about God's existence.

philomedy

on Mar 14, 2005

Sorry I took over there with all these quotes Philomedy, I couldn't resist, the boogieman made me do it!

As long as the boogeyman continues to bring forth praise, I say let him be.

Dr Guy

on Mar 14, 2005

I'm not very religious, but I can tell you that we Catholics DO think the bible is the word of God. But we don't interpret it literally, as some people do.

The word of God as interpreted by man, and yes it is to be used for teaching, not as a history text.

Reiki-House

on Mar 14, 2005

"1) Prove God exists. (without citing the Bible)
2) Prove the Bible is the Word of God. (without citing the Bible)
3) Prove that belief in God makes one morally superior to someone who does not believe in God. (without citing the Bible)"
1. Joan of Arcadia.
2. Prove phil is insane (without mentioning sanity)
3. Belief in God AND acting in a morally superior lifestyle according to God's ways makes one superior than any heathen.

chiprj

on Mar 14, 2005

People who don't believe in god drive KIAs and have tiny kitchens with warped floors. Simple.

I drive a Kia and have a kitchen with a warped floor (the washer and dryer are also in my kitchen - no joke - and sometimes the washer will overflow the drain pipe) AND I believe in God...... methinks, I'm getting hosed...

Seriously though, I've always felt that the whole point of faith was to believe without the need for proof. Otherwise, we wouldn't use the word faith, right? Now, this is just me and my opinion, so take it for what it's worth (you'll still need 99 cents plus tax to get a coffee at Denny's, even armed with my opinion), but I don't need proof of God's existence to believe. I am not uneducated, a moron, dense, weak-willed, a follower, or anything else similar because of my belief. Likewise, I am no better than anyone else just because of my faith. Also, I have no issue with anyone who believes differently from me, whether that be another faith or even an athiest.

God gave us the free will to decide whether we wanted to believe in him or not. Yes, that's a neat and tidy way to wrap up life, but what's wrong with neat and tidy?

To sum up (and to beat the dead horse just a bit longer), it is pointless to ask someone to prove that God does or does not exist (which I think may have been part of the point of this post). Faith is belief without proof/evidence. Likewise, no amount of "evidence" that God does not exist will shake true faith.

philomedy

on Mar 14, 2005

"1) Prove God exists. (without citing the Bible)2) Prove the Bible is the Word of God. (without citing the Bible)3) Prove that belief in God makes one morally superior to someone who does not believe in God. (without citing the Bible)"1. Joan of Arcadia.2. Prove phil is insane (without mentioning sanity)3. Belief in God AND acting in a morally superior lifestyle according to God's ways makes one superior than any heathen.

1) Fictional television series based on the supposition of God. Not proof.
2) Brave attempt at an analogy, but a faulty one. The argument is of the form "Prove A is B without citing A." Your response is "Prove A is B without mentioning B."
Citing and mentioning are two different things, as A and B are two different variables. 3)First of all, define heathen. Second of all, you stated your belief, but did not offer any sort of evidence to support that belief, which is what the question was asking.

philomedy

on Mar 14, 2005

To sum up (and to beat the dead horse just a bit longer), it is pointless to ask someone to prove that God does or does not exist (which I think may have been part of the point of this post). Faith is belief without proof/evidence. Likewise, no amount of "evidence" that God does not exist will shake true faith.

Right on.

bakerstreet

on Mar 14, 2005

This is a good example of how one person making a jerk out of themselves will enevitably cause people on the other side to do the same.

So what if aeryk is an idiot. Does that mean you have to act like one, too?

Ionolast

on Mar 14, 2005

Where is the proof that it is the Word of God?

Anyone could have written some supernatural, scary, (at times sexy) stories and put the word "Holy" in the title knowing it would intrigue people and sell a lot of copies.

Ionolast

on Mar 14, 2005

So what if aeryk is an idiot. Does that mean you have to act like one, too?

Who's acting?

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