Surprisingly, they're different
Published on June 15, 2005 By philomedy In Blogging
It appears I've spurned a debate about tone. Smashing.

However, it appears that the focus has been diverted to tone from what the actual problem is: No one appreciates being personally attacked for voicing a certain belief and/or opinion.

The problem that people all too often have, and which I dare say has popped up again, is that they confuse opinions with people. Unfortunately, the two are not synonymous, although I admit things would be a lot easier if they were.

But let us go to what has spurned the whole issue of "tone."

I seem to have written a rather hasty, charged, condescending, and sarcastic article about the AFA, criticizing what I believe to be something stupid that it did. So yes, I was condescending. Yes, I was sarcastic. Yes, I was critical. OF THE ACTIONS OF AN ORGANIZATION.

What do I get back? Sarcastic, condescending comments. The same brand of attack that I sent out. But I did not attack anyone. I attacked the actions that an entity chose to undertake. The only individuals who I can even be accused of attacking, and indirectly at that, are the specific leaders of said organization that decide what the organization does or does not do. And I didn't even attack them. I just mentioned that I thought that, in this one instance, they did something which I considered to be ill-advised. That's it.

See, I don't care about tone. I fully expect to get the tone that I put out in a blog. However, I don't expect to be attacked personally when I speak out about things that are not physically quantifiable. That's not debate. Debate is idea vs. idea. Position vs. position, point and counterpoint. Debate is me saying "I think xyz about xyz because of xyz" and someone responding "You're wrong for thinking xyz about what xyz did because xyz." Debate is not me saying "I think xyz about xyz because of xyz" and someone responding "You're an xyz."

And that goes for any cute variations on "You're an xyz," such as "You're acting like an xyz," "If I didn't know better I'd think you were an xyz," or any other such type of response. That's not fooling anyone. That's like starting a sentence with "No offense, but." You obviously know what you're about to say is offensive. At least have the guts to say it flat out.

But I digress. The point here is that the "tone" of a blog is not at issue here, the content is. It is not about someone setting a tone and being upset when that tone is returned. It is about someone criticizing an idea or action and getting personally attacked for it. If I spew venom, of course I expect venom back. I don't appreciate it, however, when poison is spit at my face, when mine is only ever aimed at the thought bubble next to you.















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on Jun 15, 2005
I hope somehow I was not one that "spit" I have been taking a kinder tact, with the reasonable ones here, even if I disagree.
on Jun 15, 2005
I hope somehow I was not one that "spit" I have been taking a kinder tact, with the reasonable ones here, even if I disagree.


Nah, you've been as sweet as a field of daisies for quite a while now. Then again, I have been rather absent for a couple of months, but I'll take your word for it.
on Jun 15, 2005
Reply By: PhilomedyPosted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005I hope somehow I was not one that "spit" I have been taking a kinder tact, with the reasonable ones here, even if I disagree.Nah, you've been as sweet as a field of daisies for quite a while now.


finally!!!! someone acknowledges I am mellowing.
on Jun 15, 2005
finally!!!! someone acknowledges I am mellowing.


Yeah...a little defensive still, perhaps, but that doesn't hurt anyone.
on Jun 15, 2005
Reply By: PhilomedyPosted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005finally!!!! someone acknowledges I am mellowing.Yeah...a little defensive still, perhaps, but that doesn't hurt anyone.


comes with the territory, of being aged and ill.
on Jun 16, 2005
Oh, c'mon. You know you like it. Joking.

And now I'm planning to be offensive: You crackwhore!! Your views *have* to be like my views, otherwise you're stupid. Ha! How about that? Did that fit in your xyz theory?

I forgot/lost your email address.. the *other* one [not the AoL one]. Can you send it to me again? Please? Bleh. I suck. Sorry.
Oh, and if you get your cellphone fixed, is the number the one that Michael has on his cell phone? 'Cause then I do have it, unless you change it, and if so, please let me know [if you want] what it is. You can, I think you might want to email me as a reply, if you wish. My email is justaweasel@gmail.com
on Jun 16, 2005
Just wondering how old is every one...?? Me-> 24
on Jun 17, 2005
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on Jun 17, 2005
Nah, you've been as sweet as a field of daisies for quite a while now. Then again, I have been rather absent for a couple of months, but I'll take your word for it.


Was it me? Actually, I have kind of missed you as you have not posted a lot lately.

But if it was, then you are *(^)(*^(&^(*&(*^. And another thing &)(*(&)(*&)(*&

Ok, It is off my chest now.
on Jun 17, 2005
Lets just say I have kids as old as the 2 of you!
on Jun 17, 2005
Firstly, I agree that not making things personal is just good form in a debate.

Secondly, I disagree with your basic premise that the tone of an article is irrelevant. The tone of a writing communicates just as much to the reader as the content, and it is very important to how the reader perceives and reacts to the writing.

The whole point of writing is communication. When a writer sets words down, they are communicating through both the points presented and how they are presented. The overall tone of a piece is a writer's tool just as much as the words themselves.

The tone is very much an important part of any piece of writing.

If a piece is written in order to communicate an idea but because of the tone of the piece it is totally misunderstood, the writer did a poor job of using the available tools.
on Jun 18, 2005
Was it me? Actually, I have kind of missed you as you have not posted a lot lately.


Not you either. Never fear, I should be back more often.

Secondly, I disagree with your basic premise that the tone of an article is irrelevant. The tone of a writing communicates just as much to the reader as the content, and it is very important to how the reader perceives and reacts to the writing.


I never said the tone was irrelevant, in fact I said the opposite. I said I fully expect to get back exactly what I send out. The point was that If I don't attack you, you shouldn't attack me. Attack my ideas, attack my positions, attack what I say, but give me the same courtesy that I've given you and leave me out of it.
on Jun 19, 2005
It's interesting that the article you posted was featured but this wasn't. It's also interesting that this is a point that LW has made time and time again (less eloquently) and she usually metts with much praise for doing so, yet this forum is fairly quiet.

I think you are right. There is a very important, distinct, yet subtle difference between criticisng an organisation and criticising its actions. The thing is that people tend to feel some responsibility for their actions so they take criticisms of their actions rather personally. And when their own opinions are attacked, again they take this personally because we do see ourselves as made up partly of our opinions. Yet I also admit to at times having had problems distinguishing between the two. In fact I challenge you to find a JUser who hasn't.
on Jun 19, 2005
It's interesting that the article you are responding to was featured but this wasn't. It's also interesting that your point is a point that LW has made time and time again (less eloquently) and she usually meets with much praise for doing so, yet this forum is fairly quiet.

I think you are right. There is a very important, distinct, yet subtle difference between criticising an organisation and criticising its actions. The thing is that people tend to feel some responsibility for their actions so they take criticisms of their actions rather personally. And when their own opinions are attacked, again they take this personally because we do see ourselves as made up partly of our opinions. Yet I also admit to at times having had problems distinguishing between the two. In fact I challenge you to find a JUser who hasn't.
on Jun 19, 2005
It's interesting that the article you posted was featured but this wasn't. It's also interesting that this is a point that LW has made time and time again (less eloquently) and she usually metts with much praise for doing so, yet this forum is fairly quiet.


I wasn't aware the article had been featured...perhaps I didn't look closely enough...

Yeah, I agree that there's much back-patting when someone on the other end of the spectrum writes something about namecalling, but whatever. I know the way that this site leans.
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