Gay Penguins

It will never end...

Published on February 12, 2005 By philomedy In Current Events

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Well, strike a blow against the "homosexuality is a choice" crowd.

German scientists introduced female penguins to 3 male-male penguin couples, hoping to see if the male penguins had developed homosexual relationships as a result of necessity or desire. Well, folks, the results are in: Desire!

The penguins did not choose partners based on what the situation presented them with, but based on what they were attracted to. Isolated with the imported females, they pined for their chosen partners. They tried to hatch rocks. That's love.

So then, as has been shown plenty of times before, homosexuality is naturally occurring. Penguins are gay, cows are gay, a lot of other things are probably gay.

Acceptance, on the other hand, is a choice. Why don't we choose that?

P.S.
By the way, just a side note about gay rights groups protesting the introduction of female penguins to the gay penguin couples: Shut up!!! They're penguins!!! No one's making them go straight, no one's forcing them to do anything, they just want to see what their reaction is!!! Take a lesson from your opponents who are hell bent on making Spongebob gay: You're making yourself look ridiculous! Now, take your finger off the trigger and point the gun away from your foot.

Comments (Page 3)

ParaTed2k

on Feb 14, 2005

Yet sin and religion is one reason of many that a genetic characteristic might be deemed unwanted. Your left-handed example would be darned fitting in many Islamic nations, wouldn't it? In humans, AND penguins, genetic traits are graded by social interaction.

Left-handedness (as well as the left side in general) has been a sign of evil in many cultures. It wasn't long ago that "left handedness" was considered a bad trait and teachers would go to great pains to retrain a student to use the right hand. You rightly mention Islamic nations and how their cultures view "the left hand". In the Old Testament, it is said that the lost tribes of Israel went to "The land of the North". In that culture (as well as many others) the north side of the map was to the left. "The land of the North" may not have meant true north, but "towards the sinister" (sinister and left being synonyms). Who knows, "sin" may even be a derivative of "sinister".

philomedy

on Feb 14, 2005

Or color-blindness or having six fingers on each hand instead of five? What makes one a defect and not the other?

I think that you misunderstand my argument. I contend that either every trait exhibited as a minority in a population should be classified a defect, or none of them.

I've wondered about this question. If a person's "sexual orientation" is genetic, and it could be tested during pre-natal tests, would aborting a fetus because of being gay be considered a right of "choice" to be respected, or a "homophobic" act to be abhored???

An interesting question, which cannot be done justice here. It deserves an entire blog to itself to explore all sides of the issue, although I believe aborting a child that has been shown to be homosexual should not be a choice.

bakerstreet

on Feb 14, 2005

"I think that you misunderstand my argument. I contend that either every trait exhibited as a minority in a population should be classified a defect, or none of them."

No, I think we get what you are saying, I just dunno how it helps the arguement about homosexuality. Appreciation or degradation of "differences" is totally subjective. If you finally drive home the idea that gays "can't help it", then it'll just be considered a defect or illness by those who disagree.

"I've wondered about this question. If a person's "sexual orientation" is genetic, and it could be tested during pre-natal tests, would aborting a fetus because of being gay be considered a right of "choice" to be respected, or a "homophobic" act to be abhored???"

At this point in time is there any restriction on the "why" of abortion? If a fetus is not a "life", as we are told, wouldn't that be interfering with someone's "right to choose"? Distasteful as it is, that sword cuts both ways as well...

messybuu

on Feb 14, 2005

So, we're in agreement. Homosexuality (if genetic, which isn't necessarily so), color blindness, and having six fingers instead of five on each hand aren't genetic defects.

bakerstreet

on Feb 14, 2005

" So, we're in agreement. Homosexuality (if genetic, which isn't necessarily so), color blindness, and having six fingers instead of five on each hand aren't genetic defects."

Huh? Nope, I said that the truth of that is determined by society, since there is no objective truth to be had. Given that most people won't even vote to legitimize it with a marriage license, I'm not putting my money on the idea.

messybuu

on Feb 14, 2005

Exactly. If one is pro-choice, then to say: "Women should have the right to choose, except when I disagree with their choice!" is hypocritical. Since this deserves a new topic though, I created one here!

kingbee

on Feb 15, 2005

But seriously, I think the whole "nature vs. Nurture" thing is a double edged sword. One person's example of diversity is another person's genetic flaw.

if sexual orientation is determined by genetics, as i believe it to be for a number of reasons including its manifestation in other social species--such as the penguins cited by philomedy--to qualify homosexual orientation a genetic flaw seems subjectively short-sighted. genetic variations are, by their nature, responsive. in the long run, only those working to the organism's advantage will be sustained for the obvious reason.

You don't think people burn in hell because of it, either

if anyone does burn in hell due to genetic programming or disposition, justice is neither divine nor existent.

"Whore" is a values judgment. As far as I know "Faggot" is a term for homosexual. Other terms for homosexuals are embraced by homosexuals themselves. What about this particular term is hurtful? I mean, if a term means gay, and you are gay, how is it any worse than "Fag", which is just a shortened version and gleefully adopted by many homosexuals themselves?

P.S. Just as a pre-buttal, the "n" word was derogatory before it was used to refer to black people.

slut may be a values judgment but whore is a definition. 'faggot'--whatever its etymology--is a disrespectful slur. to the best of my knowledge, the other term has no history other than to demean those considered to be non-white.

philomedy

on Feb 15, 2005

I don't think it helps the homosexual argument, as it has already been counter argued rather effectively on here. However, to reiterate my entirel semantic point: A genetic trait not containe in a majority of the population will be shown to have been selected against, and so, by definition, is a defect in relation to its present environment.

Obviously, then, genetic defect in this case does not have to mean that the trait is harmful, or puts the individual at a disadvantage, just in the minority.

Dr Guy

on Feb 15, 2005

Obviously, then, genetic defect in this case does not have to mean that the trait is harmful, or puts the individual at a disadvantage, just in the minority.

I like to think of it like the blue eye gene. Not a defect, just diversity.

messybuu

on Feb 15, 2005

if anyone does burn in hell due to genetic programming or disposition, justice is neither divine nor existent.

Not that I think people will go to hell solely for being gay, but we don't set the standards. God does. It'd be like a child judging the actions of his parents, unaware of all the complications of an adult life.

Whore is also a disrespectful slur, at least in this day and age, and since we all know that prostitution and promiscuity are not choices (since animals do it), it should be considered hate speech to call anybody that.

kingbee

on Feb 15, 2005

how much are animals charging for sex these days?

bakerstreet

on Feb 15, 2005

"slut may be a values judgment but whore is a definition. 'faggot'--whatever its etymology--is a disrespectful slur."

I beg to differ. It is a slur for people who don't want to be called "homosexual". Kids call people "faggots" in the same way they call things they don't like "gay".

So, if you don't want someone to "out" you, "faggot" would be a slur. If you are an open homosexual, it is silly to consider "gay", "queer", etc. as okay and "faggot" as a slur. It's completely arbitrary.

messybuu

on Feb 15, 2005

how much are animals charging for sex these days?

Penguins are charging stones.

This site explains it more in detail (and has a picture of a really fat penguin on it).

butterflytuddles

on Feb 15, 2005

...and since we all know that prostitution and promiscuity are not choices (since animals do it)

how much are animals charging for sex these days?

well done kingbee...

prositiution and promiscuity are NOT choices? how can they be anything but a choice? A woman chooses to sell her body for money... a guy chooses to have multiple partners (sex not discriminatory here)...

Yes most animals are, for the lack of a better term, promiscuious but surely they are acting on instinct rather than making an intelligble choice?

But we choose to be promiscuious just as we have the choice to remain monogomous.

I'll accept that with respects to prostitution there are unfortunately in our society those who have been forced in to the sex industry but the nature of their enslavement has taken away their freedom to do otherwise.

messybuu

on Feb 16, 2005

well done kingbee...

I posted some links concerning penguin prostitution.

prositiution and promiscuity are NOT choices? how can they be anything but a choice? A woman chooses to sell her body for money... a guy chooses to have multiple partners (sex not discriminatory here)...

Yes most animals are, for the lack of a better term, promiscuious but surely they are acting on instinct rather than making an intelligble choice?

So, what you're saying is that just because animals do it doesn't mean it isn't a choice, meaning that the point Philomedy had (i.e. that homosexuality is not a choice because a few penguins are gay) is invalid?

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