Published on August 7, 2005 By philomedy In Blogging
Alright, lets play a game!!! It's called "Guess who said what!!!"

Here's how it goes:

I will give you two statements that I saw recently made on this site, and you tell me which one was written by a right leaning member of JU, and which one was written by a left leaning member of JU. Ready?!?! OK!!!

Statement number 1: "Fuck you, you asshole."
Statement number 2: "You really are a dumb fucker."

Can't tell who said what?!?! Confused as to who's on the right and who's on the left?!?! Here's one more hint:

Statement number 1 was largely overlooked by everyone except the individual who it was directed at, and the individual who posted the original article.

Statement number 2 was pounced upon by various people, one of them with authority, and was promised a quick and definitive exile.

So then, two personal attacks, both using rather infantile terms, neither adding anything in particular to the topic at hand. The only difference, perhaps, is that one of them (statement 1) was made by a guest responding to a thread, therefore establishing the comments as not only rude but completely unjustified. The other statement (statement 2) was made by the person who wrote the article, therefore establishing the comment as rude but somewhat justified, if I am to take the various statements that you can write whatever garbage you want as long as it's on your own blog seriously. That, and the fact that statement 2 was made in response to statement 1, and so was really more of a defense than an attack. After all, we do remember that you can expect to get what you give, do we not?

The other difference, of course, is that statement 1 was largely swept under the rug and ignored, and statement 2 was put under a microscope and caught in the administrative crosshairs. The individual who wrote statement 1 was ignored, while the individual who wrote statement 2 was promised a swift exile.

Now then: Who's left and who's right?

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on Aug 07, 2005
Are you that careless of a reader, Phil?


As careless as you, at least. Let's re-examine what I said:

"I suppose that Karma failed to read the comment directly above the one that she chastised Zink for, huh?"

Referring to Baker's comment, which Karma either didn't read or chose not to see. Are we clear yet?

If she would join the adult world, when Baker had left that vulgar and abusive remark, she could have emailed it to admin and asked for action


If both her and Baker had, we woulnd't be having this discussion.
on Aug 07, 2005
Pick and choose, pick and choose.

On the other thread you said that it was required that he mention me by name. Now you are saying he has to specifically identify the religion. So, if someone says 'towel heads', they are of course only refering to TURBAN wearing members of the group, and therefore no one who is without turban can have a valid beef with it. You point would be laughable, if it wasn't so sad...

Myrrander knows my feelings about abortion, most everyone here does. According to the standard he set up in the response, I do apply as a 'jesustard'. He's baited me with the 'lump of flesh' fetus garbage numerous times. It's his tactic to take things we hold very dear, and crap on them in the most heinous way he can to get a response.

Surprise, he got one.

But, like I say, you want to make your little whine, and the truth of the situation is meaningless to you. You'll spin it this way and that, and in the end I'll either be banned, blacklisted, or sitting here laughing my ass of at you for your silliness.


AND SINCE YOU ARE SO COMPLETELY SLOW...

Karma wasn't addressing the language there, she was addressing the alternate personality. Say what you want to about me, but Karma does a good job, and she is fair.
on Aug 07, 2005
You didn't bother to even take in the situation. I wasn't responding to the article, I was responding to being called a 'jesustard'. Myrrander knew *exactly* who would be reading and replying to the article, and he knows who is outspoken about abortion here.The fact that you start statement 1 at my post either shows you didn't bother to understand the situation, or you think "Fuck you, asshole" is somehow worse than smearing someone's religious beliefs.


Again, no one called you a jesustard. And Myrrander knowing who reads articles and who's outspoken about abortion isn't a ticket for you to start telling people to fuck off.
on Aug 07, 2005
On the other thread you said that it was required that he mention me by name. Now you are saying he has to specifically identify the religion.


I'm saying he has to attack you, specifically, in order to justify you attacking him, specifically.

Myrrander knows my feelings about abortion, most everyone here does. According to the standard he set up in the response, I do apply as a 'jesustard'. He's baited me with the 'lump of flesh' fetus garbage numerous times.


So you're saying his response to the article was a carefully calculated move, on his part, to specifically get under your skin and nobody else's...interesting...where do you get the ego?

AND SINCE YOU ARE SO COMPLETELY SLOW...


FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE. (being you's a lot of fun...)

Karma wasn't addressing the language there, she was addressing the alternate personality. Say what you want to about me, but Karma does a good job, and she is fair.


As LW has made it her mission to point out, she was addressing both. And I'm sure Karma does a great job. I'm sure she's fair. I'm just saying she should have gotten on your case too. Even the best miss one every once in a while.

on Aug 07, 2005
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I'm saying he has to attack you, specifically, in order to justify you attacking him, specifically. "


Ah, and yet somehow when people spit the word Liberal, and dabe and the rest swoop in. explatives flying, they have valid complaints, right? Hasn't that been the subject of many a lecture, here?

Yet, I'm not allowed to take 'jesustard' personally, when it is in reference to EXACT positions I have openly espoused on my blog...

You knew when you were typing that how insipid it was, you aren't that shallow. If I wander in and start talking about Jews, or just the Jews that live in Israel, whatever, you aren't going to raise hell if someone takes personal offense. People respond personally to bigotry all the time on this site, it only bothers you when you disagree with the slur, I guess.

Karma also overlooked 'jesustards', so start your little list a bit higher on the comments. You'll spin and backpaedal and make this into something it isn't, but Karma is a fair admin, and was addressing someone skirting their exile.


Regardless, this is my last post on the subject. If anyone else wants to champion me in this little midget wrestling match they are welcome to. I don't think I have done anything to defend, so I'm not wasting any more time defending it. I'll take my lumps from the people with the authority to hand them out.
on Aug 07, 2005
Ah, and yet somehow when people spit the word Liberal, and dabe and the rest swoop in. explatives flying, they have valid complaints, right?


I don't recall saying that, please point out where I did.

You knew when you were typing that how insipid it was, you aren't that shallow. If I wander in and start talking about Jews, or just the Jews that live in Israel, whatever, you aren't going to raise hell if someone takes personal offense.


Yes, I would. But thanks for telling me what I'd do. All that time we've spent together must have helped you come to that conclusion, huh?

Karma also overlooked 'jesustards', so start your little list a bit higher on the comments. You'll spin and backpaedal and make this into something it isn't, but Karma is a fair admin, and was addressing someone skirting their exile.


No one was calling YOU a jesustard...no matter how much you believe Myrrander is after you, he did not call YOU a jesustard. Maybe you'll get it this time.

And you can drop the whole chivalrous "I'm gonna defend Karma" stuff, cuz I never said she was unfair. That said, we all miss things every once in a while, as I said before.
on Aug 07, 2005
I'll place my bet on option #3.


Of course you will! I will too! He leans to the right!
on Aug 07, 2005
This will be my last word on the manner as well, its already gotten far too much attention.


Yeah, you'd better get back to things that matter...like points!!!
on Aug 08, 2005
hahahahahahaha

heya Philomedy thanks for giving me a laugh this morning

dunno about that bias thing though, they still let me talk on this ol' website and if they were censoring the extremists on the left hand side of your dial, I think I would be one of the first to go...

I propose in-vitro army recruiters, though, so we can cut out that pesky age gap before age 18. I also think a mother should be given a six month grace period in which she can "return" her baby if it wasn't what she wanted (it's cheap to incinerate things).

Cheers.
on Aug 08, 2005
p.s. did I mention that I really don't think there's a terrible bias problem? Just in case it wasn't clear how I stood on that one.
on Aug 08, 2005

"Zinkadoodle" was banned because he was a FAKE. It was a "last straw" comment.  If you think it is OK to let people say whatever they want as a fake persona after they have been confined to their own blog after *many* warnings, then you shouldn't be blogging on this site.

This has nothing to do with political leanings- it has to do with breaking the TOU over and over and over........

on Aug 08, 2005
Thank you Karma.

I have posted literally hundreds of comments and several blogs on abortion and responded with many, many comments on stem cell research. If Philomedy wants to judge me based upon a single line on a single comment, fine, I couldn't care less. I would hope that anyone who didn't have an axe to grind would have a different perspective.

Next time Myrrander uses the word 'jesustards' in reference to my beliefs, I may or may not respond that way again. I will certainly, though, be anxious in the future to see if Philomedy is always as magnanimous as he is here, holding to his idea that in order to be insulted you have to be called upon by name.
on Aug 08, 2005
dunno about that bias thing though, they still let me talk on this ol' website and if they were censoring the extremists on the left hand side of your dial, I think I would be one of the first to go...


"Zinkadoodle" was banned because he was a FAKE. It was a "last straw" comment. If you think it is OK to let people say whatever they want as a fake persona after they have been confined to their own blog after *many* warnings, then you shouldn't be blogging on this site.This has nothing to do with political leanings- it has to do with breaking the TOU over and over and over........


I haven't argued, since everyone started, about why Zinkadoodle was exiled. What I have been saying, since I wrote this, is that two people committed similar offenses and should have both been chastised for it. I was then told, by LW, that perhaps the administrators had not seen the comment in question from Bakerstreet. Fine. Since Karma has been here, I'm gonna go ahead and assume that she has now seen the comment in question. Still, nothing. Fine. I'm going to take that as an indication, as has already been pointed out here, that this is because the comment in question was uncharacteristic of Bakerstreet, and so he has been given the benefit of the doubt. I am also going to ahead and assume that this means that, since I have never used language of this sort to berate anyone, I get a free pass to tell whomever I want, whenever I want, on whosever blog that I want, to fuck off, without having anyone say a goddamn thing to me.
on Aug 08, 2005
will certainly, though, be anxious in the future to see if Philomedy is always as magnanimous as he is here, holding to his idea that in order to be insulted you have to be called upon by name.


Oh joy! We're keeping tabs on me! So glad to be that much of a fixture in your mind.

on Aug 08, 2005
And since it appears clear that most people disagree with me on the issue of bias, let me announce publicly that I admit I was wrong about it...I'll just say that there is a clear majority on this site that happen to think one way politically, and a clear minority that happen to think another way. Every once in a while, I suppose that may lead to reactions that seem biased, to me at least. I saw two people tell two other people to fuck off, in effect. I saw one disciplined, if for other reasons as well, and I saw another get not as much as a look. I happened to think that was unfair. I still do. But whatever, we're all human here. I suppose our feelings about other people take over all of us at times, and that in all of ours concern with what dabe did/had done/was continuing to do, we let Baker slide and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Fine.
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