Alright, I gotta get on here because bashing many for the actions of a few seems to be the trendy thing to do now. And recently, this trend seems centered like a magnifying glass on minoriites, and what certain ones do.

Let me explain something to all you people that want to come on here and write your "outraged" articles and rants about how minorities cry racism and can bring lawsuits for everything and are now getting better treatment because of what they went through in the past: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OUTRAGE IS.

Outrage is what I, and a majority of the minority population of this nation, feel when we read the same stories that you do.

Because when you turn on the news, or buy a newspaper, and read about a minority claiming he/she was discriminated against, or suing for bad treatment that they claim was racially motivated, you see an argument, an anecdote, a point that you can make. You see a story that you can read and be angry at. You see an example of reprehensible actions. Then, you are done with it. You can leave it alone and go on with your life. It does not have to affect you. You allow it to.

You want to know what I see when I read those stories? I see a beam coming down straight across my back. I see a sword coming for my head. I am Sysiphus, and I see that Goddamn rock slipping down the hill for the 2569405th time.

Because when I see that some woman has accused an elementary school of "setting up" her child, I can't be angry and be done with it. I can't sit back and call her an idiot and go on with my life the way it was, because she has cast a shadow on me. Every year that I have walked, trying to find sunlight and fertility and hope, this fool has eradicated with one sentence. One specific set of words out of this idiot's mouth, and all of a sudden the minorities are playing the race card again, because that's what they do. And I have another 100 miles to walk.

You think you get upset when you hear Jesse Jackson open his mouth? You don't know what upset is. Upset is what happens when you realize the percentage of people that think he speaks for you.

Upset is what happens when you realize that what you see as an idiot trying to sue Wendy's for millions of dollars is seen by everyone else as a Hispanic idiot trying to sue Wendy's for millions of dollars.

Upset is what happens when some idiot afraid of her marriage tells the police that she was kidnapped by a Hispanic man, or when a mother tired of her children tells them that a Black guy killed them.

That's when upset starts.

You read the stories too, and you think that it's not right, but you have never been angry like I have. You have never been angry like the minorities involved have. Because these stories come back to us. They never leave. They inhabit us. They stain us. They tattoo us.

They stay in the back of your mind, and maybe you let them go and don't think about them, but when you see us you remember. Maybe it's only for a split second, and maybe you shake your head, and maybe you give us the benefit of the doubt because you know that not all minorities are like that. But the thought is there, and without you thinking, before you catch yourself, its what springs forth.

It's the woman that instinctively clutches her handbag when a friend of mine approaches; He just wanted to know the time.

It's the man that crosses to the other side of the street when he sees a group of us approaching; We're on our way home from tutoring second graders.

It's the police officer who stops me from walking through an alley; I am less than a block from my house.

You have never been angry like I have. You don't know what it is to feel rage. Because rage is what sets in when you realize something:

A white person who does something stupid is a person who is stupid. An idiot. Just another idiot. A minority who does something stupid is a minority who did something stupid. A minority idiot. Just another minority idiot.

That is rage.

Rage is knowing that I am a minority, and so I am not free to be stupid.


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on May 14, 2005
Yup, that qualifies as a threat, which is against ther terms of this site. So, do tell, what magic powers do you posess that would make something "happen"?


Sorry but it does not qualify as a threat and the rest is none of your business.
Given a particular course of thought or action and informing someone of the possible consequences pertaining to that course is not considered a theat in any language.
on May 14, 2005
Phil, I just spent about an hour replying to your messages, and when I tried to submit, the fucking server screwed up and I lost all of it. Dammit! When will I learn to make my replies in Word, then paste them? Sorry, I'm not doing it all again.
on May 14, 2005
Gid, i'm assuming you see this as a moral issue) it's legislating against preferences, and no, you can't change personal preference no matter how many laws you pass in favor of vanilla ice cream.


I see bigotry as a moral issue, yes, not bias. I've been the target of bigotry myself. But then, since I'm white I can't understand, so I should just shut up.
on May 14, 2005
Sorry but it does not qualify as a threat and the rest is none of your business.


Well, it is my business because.........

...... just informing you on what might happen if you persue the line you were taking.


You said that if I pursue the line I was taking, that being the racist confederate flag avatar you post, which by the way is very germane to this topic, that "something", presumably bad might happen to me. And, that is a threat. THAT F*CKING MAKES IT MY BUSINESS.

And where are the moderators when someone makes threats? They sure are around when I call people names, which I stopped doing, but which I sure am thinking about you right now, drmiler.
on May 15, 2005
Ditto LW.....
on May 15, 2005
I hardly see how this bit of fascetiousness adds to the argument, but ok, I'll bite. No one ever saw how "whites only" restaurants posed a danger, either. Has as "whites only" water fountain ever jumped up and killed someone? If I started a club called The Association of White Data Processors, how long do you think it would take me to get sued, or worse yet, charged with a federal hate crime?Nah...there's no danger in it, because as you said....


I just find it amusing that with all of the valid examples you could have used of minority exclusive organizations that threaten people, you chose the date entry clerks. No deep meaning, just kinda funny.

I see that even after 135 posts, we haven't moved past the "blame whitey" phase, so with that, I'll bid you all adieu.


White people wanted us out of their groups. We went and formed our own. Ergo, white people caused us to form our own groups. What's wrong with blaming white people when they deserve the blame?




on May 15, 2005
The statement I responded to was My point is that stereotypes are harmful, and that they need to stop. Saying they are "harmful to everyone" is a lacking answer, because they're not always harmful, at least not to all parties involved. Living in denial is not a positive alternative to living in fear.


They're not always harmful to everyone involved in a specific situation. I'm looking at the larger picture.

That's unnecessary. The point is that the debate should stopped being framed in "We were here first" terms. It's an unfulfilling way to make a case. And that's precisely the argument you fell back on.


I never said we were here first. I don't know what argument you've been reading, but it wasn't mine. I never brought up the Indians. I don't even know how Indians got involved in this.

on May 15, 2005
No, your the one who is sadly mistaken if you don't see how much has "been" done.


Where did I say I didn't see what has been done? I disagreed that anyone has "bent over backwards." They haven't. Has alot been done? Yes. Bent over backwards? No. Not even close.
on May 15, 2005
Again, if y'all can see fit to keep your personal crap off of here, that would be cool.
on May 15, 2005
Again, if y'all can see fit to keep your personal crap off of here, that would be cool.


I am sorry, Phil. It just really did seem rather germane to me that someone using the confederate flag, a symbol of racism, have the proverbial anatomical parts to come in here to argue about how "much" has been done regarding race relations.

Maybe whipsy is right. I should just post an article about racist assholes using racist symbols as avatars. It really does take balls.

Besides, I thought whipsy departed this thread. Oh well, she was just giving us some false hope.
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